Have wikis gotten bad press or are they bad?
Class discussion March 2nd, 2009Have wikis gotten bad press or are they bad? this is a question for many. I know that at first librarian’s were dead set against them but it seems, many, have taken a turn around.
Wikipedia seems pretty right on to me. For wikis to be effective in the classroom, I think as educators we will need to present them very carefully. We will need to show good wikis and bad wikis. I would want students to use them to refine and hone knowledge on specific topics. I would want students to self-correct themselves if they post inaccurate information. I would want their classmates and teachers point out and correct inaccurate information. Students will need to understand as in all information posted to the Internet the source is always a good way to determine accuracy of information and bias.
I think teachers can use wikis for baseline knowledge…like KWL charts. They can establish what students know and what it is we want to learn. As learning happens, students can post to their wikis about what they now know. The wiki can be the work in progress. As the learning scaffolds so does the wiki.
I for one support them as a way for students to collaborate. I have watched them at work in one of our 7th grade classrooms and find the students make greater efforts in the researching and writing to present information factually and with better composition.
One thing we know for certain is that our students need to improve their non-fiction writing. I cannot think of a better way to inspire them to improve this skill.
March 2nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I am still exploring and curious how I would use this…maybe when I go to the MFA we can have a wiki to share with the Mass Cultuarl Council!
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
When I go to a Tech Conference there is a group of us that always set up a wiki. We use it during the conference to report to others about the sessions we attend and the knowledge and resources that we gain. It is invaluable because it let’s me attend more of the conference and come away with more resources to use. Try it out at the MFA with a couple of other art teachers. You might be pleasantly surprised.
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Cathy and I were talking about having the children revise and edit a “boring” piece of writing just to practice. We were wondering if more than 1 person at a time could edit the same piece and how you can tell who made changes and what they were?
March 4th, 2009 at 9:21 am
I am really afraid of using wikis with students. For example, yesterday I had some students using ask.com to find some answers about Nicolas Sarkozy and some of the postings were from wikis and said very disparaging and mean things.
I really like the idea of setting up a wiki for a conference. What a fantastic way to see so much more than you can actually attend!
March 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
“What me Wiki?” Alfred E. Neuman might ask from the cover of the latest Mad Magazine.
For me, the answer would be: I put my students on it, to see how it would go. To be specific, my AP Language and Composition students, who have to find wikipedia entries that either don’t exist or need work, according to the wikipedia disclaimer at the top of the entry.
The ease of entry for such an assignment is so difficult that I won’t even bother to assign this to my level 2 classes, 85% of whom couldn’t manage to set up an edublog.
As for the students taking on the forces of reality (for that’s what wikipedia claims to be–an accurate representation of reality, complete w/neutral point of view. They’ve managed to face some frustrations and quit OR find some in-roads to add voice to factual elements that could be edited or improved for accuracy. See the DYRHS entry on wikipedia for some added work on the sports section and the recent visit of a Nobel Laureate. On a more personal level, check out the revisions on freestyle skiing or the name “Taryn.”
March 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
2nd entry (to avoid the dismay of a crashing system)
To take minor issue with an earlier statement, I haven’t found that wiki writing is the best way of improving non-fiction writing. There are a number of challenges to that statement, starting w/the “neutral” point of view and the need for consensus. Further, many genres exist within non-fiction. Take a daily newspaper for example where you can find everything from articles,to analysis, opinion pieces to advertisements. Some genres, such as advertising with their creative groups in project teams, might benefit from these electronic collaborative tools. Others, such as an opinion piece, get steadily worse with each collaborator added on. Many people signed the Declaration of Independence, but it was Thomas Jefferson who conveyed the vision from his pen to our minds, 230 years later.
March 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Though I am intrigued by the creation of wikis by students, I am still caught up in the practical considerations of getting them screen time and being able to manage their content, let alone their spelling! Perhaps we could create one as a follow up to a trip on the freedom trail in Boston, or at the end of a science unit on matter, but it would still need to be an in class project because several students, do not have computer access at home.
March 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
To Wik or not to Wik that is the questions…
When life throws us a curve ball I ask, “what would Shakespeare do?
He probably would has started a wiki. As with most of the tools online, it is not the tool that is good or bad, but how it is utilized. Put a wiki in Darth Vader’s hands and watch out! Mother Theresa (if she were alive) would probably knock your socks off.
For myself, I find them entertaining with limitless possibilities. As a teacher I concur with Mrs. Fournier about time being an issue in class.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I only know what I have read in our chapter about wikis. I am curious about them. My son Chris has written one about skiing for his English class with Mr. Howell.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I’ve set up the wiki and read the chapter and I think it could be a useful tool for gathering and displaying information in some of our social studies and science units. I think I would treat it like I do “publishing” in writers’ workshop, with students completing their initial work on paper, editing for spelling and then typing it on the wiki during our computer lab time each week. Looking at it as a class after we’ve all had a chance to contribute may bring about more discussion and editing of entries. We’ll see how it goes!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:16 am
My friend posted this wiki yesterday. It’s random, but nicely done.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=67137446583&h=R9w4p&u=ByeHh
** You may not be able to access it from school.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Has anyone checked out the blogging challenge set up through the edublogs website? I’ve signed up my blog but I can’t seem to find this week’s challenge. It did get a me a dot on Tasmania as the woman in charge has viewed my blog and she is in Australia, but I seem to be missing the challenge that has been put out to everyone!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
I am excited to think about the possiblities for using a wiki in my classroom. Although math is sometimes hard to type into a computer, it would be great to have an ongoing repository of important information for each unit. Having the students working together and correcting each other to come up with the best “finished” product possible could be very eye opening and clarifying for them as they work on their skills. I do not have experience with how to organize the work of adding and creating a wiki and would need the opportunity to work with one. In addition to organization, time is also a factor.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Well, I’ve set up a wiki~ for better or worse! In terms of the classroom, though, I’m sorry I didn’t use this tool for a recent project my students did. They researched four different topics and collaborated with others to produce a museum exhibit of the particular time period. It was a fascinating process, watching the students research independently, then dovetail information to create a cohesive finished product. The wiki would have been a perfect vehicle!
Teaching students to validate and document sources was a big part of that project. And the wiki would have been a great place for my students to showcase their work, much of it superb!
Anyway, that’s what I’m thinking now. The logistics of screen time and accuracy are out there…
March 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
We use a wiki in the science department to sign up for equipment etc. I’m kind of at a loss in how to use it in my classroom. We don’t do a whole lot of creative writing in science.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I will try to use a wiki when I start some units on contemporary music with my 6th graders. For example, posting some survey results about the songs their classmates have on their ipods and including relavent links to song artists’ bios, etc.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I had read chapter 4right after we met last time and explored wikispaces.com. I did not create a wiki because I am still unsure how to use it in Biology…I cannot ask my students to create content… I am ambiguous…Since I am heavily involved with YDSoccer I am thinking it might be useful on that front with coaches, trainers, parents and players…
I am wondering if I could “open to the world” and have other educators contribute to my bio class…possibly it is an avenue to explore…it would enrich content no doubt but my reservation is that I already have to “weed out” and “ultrasimplify” the content to fit the population I teach. However it might have some value with my family in Quebec and Montreal…also something to explore…
April 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I envision wiki as a spot where I can provide level 2 freshmen a chance to post their own essays and seek input from classmates.
I also could see me posting an essay with errors and spend class time working either in a whole group setting or 3-4 smaller groups editing.
As I improve my use of technology, I could see research progressing nicely by having groups of students use wikis to collaborate on research. During To Kill a Mockingbird, students could research Harper Lee, The Great Depression, and Jim Crow Laws.
During our poetry unit student groups could collaborate by taking on a single poet and research his or her life, and write analyses of some of the poet’s work.
Romeo and Juliet would allow for literary analysis work, as well as collaborative work on research regarding Shakespeare’s life and works, the history, art, music, and literary contemporaries during Shakespeare’s time.